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Post by tikcus on May 21, 2008 17:46:52 GMT
Clans may enter two teams in the ladder but players must be registered to only one of the teams and cannot interchange. (An example is you have an A team with 10 experienced players, and a B team with 10 new clan members) after the first season of the ladder players can move between your A and B squads (the length of the season will depend on the teams entered, in subsequent seasons we may have a B team ladder).
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This would help us, and other clans bring on new players a bit like peaces idea of splitting the clan, but this would only be splitting for the sack of training/improvement, what you guys think?
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Post by Peacekeeper on May 21, 2008 17:49:01 GMT
well, thats somehow what i meant as i said "splitting"...
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Post by Immortal on May 21, 2008 17:56:02 GMT
I think letting clans enter two teams is a pretty good idea in theory, but there could be some problems. A very good clan could (possibly) enter two entire teams of relatively equal skill which ends up in a final between the same clan's teams which would be... odd, maybe.
Another possibility is that a clan might instruct their B team to 'take one for the team' as it were, giving the A team maximum points and possibly an unfair advantage.
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Post by tikcus on May 21, 2008 18:07:38 GMT
Another possibility is that a clan might instruct their B team to 'take one for the team' as it were, giving the A team maximum points and possibly an unfair advantage. Under a ladder situation it shouldn't be a problem, as winning team just leapfrogs losing team, so worst case Team A instructs team B to lose, so team A win the title
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Post by Immortal on May 21, 2008 18:19:19 GMT
Under a ladder situation it shouldn't be a problem, as winning team just leapfrogs losing team, so worst case Team A instructs team B to lose, so team A win the title I was thinking more about a league situation, but if we have a ladder then we ought to prohibit the two teams from playing against each other, or limit the number of times they can.
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Post by tikcus on May 21, 2008 18:22:33 GMT
Do you think a league would be easier to admin than a ladder?
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Post by Immortal on May 21, 2008 18:28:45 GMT
Do you think a league would be easier to admin than a ladder? I hadn't thought about that. I imagine both will have their challenges, although a league will need to be restarted frequently but a ladder will have more irregular games, since presumably people will be able to schedule matches for whenever they feel like it. Do we have a plan for how the scoring/rankings will work?
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Post by tikcus on May 21, 2008 20:32:54 GMT
How about this, if it is a ladder?
Scoring
To overtake a team in the ladder you need to beat them on the first map and at least draw on the second map (or vice versa).
You can only challenge a team up to 2 places above you A challenge can not be refused by a clan unless they have a ladder match scheduled for that week (time and date needs to be mutually agreed, all clans must post their available days and times for matches at start of season)
You must play at least 1 game per week, but there is no limit to the number of games you can play.
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Post by Immortal on May 21, 2008 20:35:10 GMT
Sounds good.
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Post by sh0rty on May 21, 2008 22:44:37 GMT
I could help you with an league, because im League and headadmin of an Wc3 LEAGUE and an DotA ladder ^^
so the advance of an League is, u can put the participating clans into groups, if a clan adds 2 (or 3) squads, you move them in different divisions.
So u make an Division A for example, with the best teams from evry clan, (A-Squads) with about 8 teams.
Then u got a Division B again with 8 and so on.
at the end of a season the last 2 team decrease one division and the first two of an lower Division increase one, so u get fluctation.
8 teams, 1 match a weak, means 7 weeks per season, makes about 6 seasons a year
u have to set up a fix date for the matches, for example Friday 18:00 british time, when evry team has to play his match. After that they enter the result, at the next week they play against the next clan and so on.
A win gets the winner team 3 points, a Draw 1 point and a loose 0
So the maximum of points is 21, which is a pretty small but good number.
i think it should work out like that if u want to create a league, which is prefered to an ladder by me, because u and ur team are more happy about the increse from division C - B that whee we are number 16 in a ranking of 24 ^^
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Post by TNT on May 21, 2008 22:47:47 GMT
ETF2L like, isn't it?
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Post by Peacekeeper on May 22, 2008 10:46:51 GMT
Same as ETF2L. Sure. Only with less clans.
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Post by Immortal on May 22, 2008 17:08:30 GMT
I quite like the WP scoring, we can basically copy the scoring from them and ETF2L for a league.
Shorty - any advice for scoring on a ladder?
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Post by tikcus on May 22, 2008 17:16:43 GMT
I quite like the WP scoring, we can basically copy the scoring from them and ETF2L for a league. Shorty - any advice for scoring on a ladder?my 2p worth, you don't have scoring on a ladder, you just list played, won, lost, position (maybe points for and against) but if we went ladder we should have an end of season play off between the top 2 teams (maybe best of 3 matches) to stop 1 team being top all season, and losing top because 2nd place beat them once at the 5th atempt
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Post by Immortal on May 22, 2008 17:19:12 GMT
Ranking then, not scoring. Who can you challenge? What maps do you need to play on? If you play two maps per game, how is the overall winner chosen in the event of one win each? Any limit on which maps can be played (e.g. can't choose the same map more than 2 times in 4)? The last one is to stop one team getting particularly good at one map and always playing it in every game.
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